"People spend their lives trying to get to the top of the pillar. I saw the politics ... inevitably somebody would get pushed out. And I said, I don't wanna do this anymore. I wanted do my own thing."
Escaping the Caterpillar Pillar with Jared…
"People spend their lives trying to get to the top of the pillar. I saw the politics ... inevitably somebody would get pushed out. And I said, I don't wanna do this anymore. I wanted do my own thing."